| Title | Ancient Approaches to Plato's Timaeus |
| Type | Edited Book |
| Language | English |
| Date | 2003 |
| Publication Place | University of London |
| Publisher | Institute of Classical Studies |
| Series | Bulletin of the Institute of Classical Studies |
| Volume | 46, Supplement 78 |
| Categories | no categories |
| Author(s) | |
| Editor(s) | Sharples, Robert W. , Sheppard, Anne D. |
| Translator(s) |
| Twelve academic essays, given during the Institute of Classical Studies research seminar in 2000 and 2001, examine Plato's vision of the `real world' as he presented it in Timaeus while considering the text's influence on classical philosophers and scientists. Specific subjects include astronomy, the reactions of Aristotle and others to Timaeus , Hellenistic musicology, Proclus' Commentary , comparisons with Aristotle's Physics , mythology. |
| Online Resources | https://uni-koeln.sciebo.de/s/2ocEqA4hdMXnPzv |
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| Title | Eudoxus, Callipus and the Astronomy of the Timaeus |
| Type | Book Section |
| Language | English |
| Date | 2003 |
| Published in | Ancient Approaches to Plato's Timaeus |
| Pages | 5-28 |
| Categories | no categories |
| Author(s) | Gregory, Andrew |
| Editor(s) | Sharples, Robert W. , Sheppard, Anne D. |
| Translator(s) |
| Whether the astronomy of the Timaeus had any significant influence on Eudoxus’ theory of homocentric spheres is a matter of contention. Some commentators deny any such influence. Here I argue for a view of the Timaeus’ astronomy, and of Eudoxus’ astronomy, whereby Eudoxus’ work was as much a natural development of the Timaeus as Callippus’ work was of Eudoxus. I also argue for an important interpretative principle. This is that Plato, Eudoxus and Callippus could not account for all the phenomena they were aware of, and were aware of that fact. If the Timaeus presents a prototype, Eudoxus can then be seen to develop this astronomy, making the model more sophisticated and complex while staying within the cosmological principles, and attempting to solve the key problems which were left unsolved by the Timaeus model. He does this in much the same way as Callippus made Eudoxus’ model more complex and sophisticated, and attempted to solve the leading problems in that model. I also consider some further objections to a significant interaction between Plato and Eudoxus, based on supposed philosophical differences, dating, and the evidence of later commentators. I conclude that these provide no significant obstacle to considering there to be a fruitful liaison between Plato and Eudoxus. [introduction, p. 5] |
| Online Resources | https://uni-koeln.sciebo.de/s/gBgvswTCwFS9iRU |
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| Title | Early Reactions to Plato’s Timaeus: polemic and exegesis in Theophrastus and Epicurus |
| Type | Book Section |
| Language | English |
| Date | 2003 |
| Published in | Ancient Approaches to Plato's Timaeus |
| Pages | 49-71 |
| Categories | no categories |
| Author(s) | Baltussen, Han |
| Editor(s) | Sharples, Robert W. , Sheppard, Anne D. |
| Translator(s) |
| We are reasonably well informed about what might justly be thought of as the commentary tradition of the late Hellenistic and late antique period. In this series of papers on the theme ‘Plato’s Timaeus and the Commentary Tradition’ an obvious choice of topic has been to discuss the works of authors who explicitly declare to be commenting upon or clarifying the text o f an author. Most papers in this volume have therefore justly seen it as their task to clarify the interaction between one commentator and the Timaeus. My perspective is slightly different. Commentary as we usually see it must have had its precursors in some form or other. As it happens, we have some evidence related to the Timaeus which makes this a reasonable assumption. I therefore want to look at two thinkers whose interpretative efforts occur at the beginnings of the ‘commentary tradition’ . Here things are less clear and well-defined in that at this end o f the scale we are dealing with the emergence o f exegesis. This means that certain fundamental assumptions - eg. what a commentary or a commentator is - would no longer have an obvious value as starting points and that important questions about the interaction between authors and texts (such as ‘what is a commentary?’, ‘what form did the interpretation of texts take?’ or ‘when do commentaries emerge?’) require a fresh look. [p. 49] |
| Online Resources | https://uni-koeln.sciebo.de/s/MH2yCoPHJ3hq5XF |
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| Title | Aristotle and some of his Commentators on the Timaeus’ Receptacle |
| Type | Book Section |
| Language | English |
| Date | 2003 |
| Published in | Ancient Approaches to Plato's Timaeus |
| Pages | 29-47 |
| Categories | no categories |
| Author(s) | Gregory, Andrew |
| Editor(s) | Sharples, Robert W. , Sheppard, Anne D. |
| Translator(s) |
| The nature of the receptacle, presented at Timaeus 48e-53b, is controversial. It is unclear whether the receptacle is supposed to be matter, or whether it is supposed to be space, or whether it is in some way both matter and space. Plato seems to intend some reform of the way in which we refer to the phenomena, but the nature of that reform is far from clear.1 Can the evidence of Aristotle help us here? Aristotle and some of his commentators have some interesting and significant things to say about the receptacle and its contents, more perhaps than is generally recognised. [introduction, p. 29] |
| Online Resources | https://uni-koeln.sciebo.de/s/Yk3nM8r9ibtbYGr |
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| Title | Ancient Approaches to Plato's Timaeus |
| Type | Edited Book |
| Language | English |
| Date | 2003 |
| Publication Place | University of London |
| Publisher | Institute of Classical Studies |
| Series | Bulletin of the Institute of Classical Studies |
| Volume | 46, Supplement 78 |
| Categories | no categories |
| Author(s) | |
| Editor(s) | Sharples, Robert W. , Sheppard, Anne D. |
| Translator(s) |
Twelve academic essays, given during the Institute of Classical Studies research seminar in 2000 and 2001, examine Plato's vision of the `real world' as he presented it in Timaeus while considering the text's influence on classical philosophers and scientists. Specific subjects include astronomy, the reactions of Aristotle and others to Timaeus , Hellenistic musicology, Proclus' Commentary , comparisons with Aristotle's Physics , mythology. |
| Online Resources | https://uni-koeln.sciebo.de/s/2ocEqA4hdMXnPzv |
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| Title | Aristotle and some of his Commentators on the Timaeus’ Receptacle |
| Type | Book Section |
| Language | English |
| Date | 2003 |
| Published in | Ancient Approaches to Plato's Timaeus |
| Pages | 29-47 |
| Categories | no categories |
| Author(s) | Gregory, Andrew |
| Editor(s) | Sharples, Robert W. , Sheppard, Anne D. |
| Translator(s) |
The nature of the receptacle, presented at Timaeus 48e-53b, is controversial. It is unclear whether the receptacle is supposed to be matter, or whether it is supposed to be space, or whether it is in some way both matter and space. Plato seems to intend some reform of the way in which we refer to the phenomena, but the nature of that reform is far from clear.1 Can the evidence of Aristotle help us here? Aristotle and some of his commentators have some interesting and significant things to say about the receptacle and its contents, more perhaps than is generally recognised. [introduction, p. 29] |
| Online Resources | https://uni-koeln.sciebo.de/s/Yk3nM8r9ibtbYGr |
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| Title | Early Reactions to Plato’s Timaeus: polemic and exegesis in Theophrastus and Epicurus |
| Type | Book Section |
| Language | English |
| Date | 2003 |
| Published in | Ancient Approaches to Plato's Timaeus |
| Pages | 49-71 |
| Categories | no categories |
| Author(s) | Baltussen, Han |
| Editor(s) | Sharples, Robert W. , Sheppard, Anne D. |
| Translator(s) |
We are reasonably well informed about what might justly be thought of as the commentary tradition of the late Hellenistic and late antique period. In this series of papers on the theme ‘Plato’s Timaeus and the Commentary Tradition’ an obvious choice of topic has been to discuss the works of authors who explicitly declare to be commenting upon or clarifying the text o f an author. Most papers in this volume have therefore justly seen it as their task to clarify the interaction between one commentator and the Timaeus. My perspective is slightly different. Commentary as we usually see it must have had its precursors in some form or other. As it happens, we have some evidence related to the Timaeus which makes this a reasonable assumption. I therefore want to look at two thinkers whose interpretative efforts occur at the beginnings of the ‘commentary tradition’ . Here things are less clear and well-defined in that at this end o f the scale we are dealing with the emergence o f exegesis. This means that certain fundamental assumptions - eg. what a commentary or a commentator is - would no longer have an obvious value as starting points and that important questions about the interaction between authors and texts (such as ‘what is a commentary?’, ‘what form did the interpretation of texts take?’ or ‘when do commentaries emerge?’) require a fresh look. [p. 49] |
| Online Resources | https://uni-koeln.sciebo.de/s/MH2yCoPHJ3hq5XF |
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| Title | Eudoxus, Callipus and the Astronomy of the Timaeus |
| Type | Book Section |
| Language | English |
| Date | 2003 |
| Published in | Ancient Approaches to Plato's Timaeus |
| Pages | 5-28 |
| Categories | no categories |
| Author(s) | Gregory, Andrew |
| Editor(s) | Sharples, Robert W. , Sheppard, Anne D. |
| Translator(s) |
Whether the astronomy of the Timaeus had any significant influence on Eudoxus’ theory of homocentric spheres is a matter of contention. Some commentators deny any such influence. Here I argue for a view of the Timaeus’ astronomy, and of Eudoxus’ astronomy, whereby Eudoxus’ work was as much a natural development of the Timaeus as Callippus’ work was of Eudoxus. I also argue for an important interpretative principle. This is that Plato, Eudoxus and Callippus could not account for all the phenomena they were aware of, and were aware of that fact. If the Timaeus presents a prototype, Eudoxus can then be seen to develop this astronomy, making the model more sophisticated and complex while staying within the cosmological principles, and attempting to solve the key problems which were left unsolved by the Timaeus model. He does this in much the same way as Callippus made Eudoxus’ model more complex and sophisticated, and attempted to solve the leading problems in that model. I also consider some further objections to a significant interaction between Plato and Eudoxus, based on supposed philosophical differences, dating, and the evidence of later commentators. I conclude that these provide no significant obstacle to considering there to be a fruitful liaison between Plato and Eudoxus. [introduction, p. 5] |
| Online Resources | https://uni-koeln.sciebo.de/s/gBgvswTCwFS9iRU |
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