Title | Gibt es Spuren von Theophrasts Phys. op. bei Cicero? |
Type | Book Section |
Language | German |
Date | 1989 |
Published in | Cicero's Knowledge of the Peripatos |
Pages | 133-158 |
Categories | no categories |
Author(s) | Mansfeld, Jaap |
Editor(s) | Fortenbaugh, William W. , Steinmetz, Peter |
Translator(s) |
Unter Hinweis auf Cicero, Lucullus ( = Academica priom II) 118 und 123, Tusculanae disputationes 1 18 ff. und De nutum deorum I 25 ff. hat Hermann Dieis diese Frage bekanntlich bejaht.1 Die wichtigste Stelle, auf die ich mich aus mehreren Gründen beschränke,2 ist dabei der Passus über die Prinzipien Luc. 118, wo der Dissens (dissensio, Luc. 117) der Philosophen von Thaies bis zu Platon und den Pythagoreern kritisiert wird. Diels hat hier ganz auf fallend argumentiert. Zum einen hat er, teilweise zu Recht, hingewiesen auf Übereinstimmungen zwischen Luc. 118 und den entsprechenden Theophrastfragmenten bzw. Paraphrasen in Simplikios’ Kommentar zur ari stotelischen Physik, die Usener und er den Phys. op. zugewiesen haben.3 Als nächstes aber hat er Luc. 119-121 über die stoische Theorie der Vorsehung (SVFI I 92 u. 1161) und über Aristoteles’ {Dephilos. fr. 20 Ross) und Stratons (fr. 32 Wehrli) entgegengesetzte Auffassungen ausgeklammert, weil dieses Stück nicht auf Theophrast zurückgeführt werden könne. Aus den nach folgenden Paragraphen, die über verschiedene Ansichten von den Himmelskörpern und der Erde referieren, hat er schliesslich 123 “Hiketas von Syrakus, wie Theophrast sagt” {Hicetas Syracosius, ut ait Theophrastus . . . ) usw. wieder als Beweis dafür angezogen, dass die doxographische Übersicht zur Astronomie aus den Phys. op. stamme. In der Nachfolge Kri- sches hatte schliesslich schon Diels zu Recht bemerkt, dass Ciceros unmittelbare Quelle ein Akademiker, wohl ein Karneadesschüler, sein müsse. Das Textstück über Hiketas (auch abgedruckt Vorsokr. 51.1) hat er als Phys. op. fr. 18 aufgenommen {DG 492-3). Es ist dies der einzige Cicerotext in der betreffenden Dielsschen Sammlung. [Introduction, p. 133] |
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Title | Compatible Alternatives: Middle Platonist Theology and the Xenophanes Reception |
Type | Book Section |
Language | English |
Date | 1988 |
Published in | Knowledge of God in the Greco-Roman World |
Pages | 92-117 |
Categories | no categories |
Author(s) | Mansfeld, Jaap |
Editor(s) | Broek, Roelof van den , Baarda, Tjitze , Mansfeld, Jaap |
Translator(s) |
Students of Middle Platonism are familiar with the phenomenon that the accounts of the divine provided by various authors of the 2nd cent. CE strike one as incoherent.1 Qualifications according to the viae negationis, analogiae, and eminentiae, which to us seem incompatible to a degree, tend to coexist in a peaceful jumble. On the one hand, the essence or nature of God is described by means of a refusal to predicate any attributes whatsoever. Attributes with held in this way may be arranged in polar pairs. On the other hand, God’s exis tence as a supreme cause tends to be described in a positive way by means, e.g., of varieties of the argumentum ex gradibus entium. The theology of ch. 10 of Alkinoos’ Didaskalikos is a notorious instance of such a medley. [p. 92] |
Online Resources | https://uni-koeln.sciebo.de/s/DoIvETBqssMJox8 |
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Title | Compatible Alternatives: Middle Platonist Theology and the Xenophanes Reception |
Type | Book Section |
Language | English |
Date | 1988 |
Published in | Knowledge of God in the Greco-Roman World |
Pages | 92-117 |
Categories | no categories |
Author(s) | Mansfeld, Jaap |
Editor(s) | Broek, Roelof van den , Baarda, Tjitze , Mansfeld, Jaap |
Translator(s) |
Students of Middle Platonism are familiar with the phenomenon that the accounts of the divine provided by various authors of the 2nd cent. CE strike one as incoherent.1 Qualifications according to the viae negationis, analogiae, and eminentiae, which to us seem incompatible to a degree, tend to coexist in a peaceful jumble. On the one hand, the essence or nature of God is described by means of a refusal to predicate any attributes whatsoever. Attributes with held in this way may be arranged in polar pairs. On the other hand, God’s exis tence as a supreme cause tends to be described in a positive way by means, e.g., of varieties of the argumentum ex gradibus entium. The theology of ch. 10 of Alkinoos’ Didaskalikos is a notorious instance of such a medley. [p. 92] |
Online Resources | https://uni-koeln.sciebo.de/s/DoIvETBqssMJox8 |
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Title | Gibt es Spuren von Theophrasts Phys. op. bei Cicero? |
Type | Book Section |
Language | German |
Date | 1989 |
Published in | Cicero's Knowledge of the Peripatos |
Pages | 133-158 |
Categories | no categories |
Author(s) | Mansfeld, Jaap |
Editor(s) | Fortenbaugh, William W. , Steinmetz, Peter |
Translator(s) |
Unter Hinweis auf Cicero, Lucullus ( = Academica priom II) 118 und 123, Tusculanae disputationes 1 18 ff. und De nutum deorum I 25 ff. hat Hermann Dieis diese Frage bekanntlich bejaht.1 Die wichtigste Stelle, auf die ich mich aus mehreren Gründen beschränke,2 ist dabei der Passus über die Prinzipien Luc. 118, wo der Dissens (dissensio, Luc. 117) der Philosophen von Thaies bis zu Platon und den Pythagoreern kritisiert wird. Diels hat hier ganz auf fallend argumentiert. Zum einen hat er, teilweise zu Recht, hingewiesen auf Übereinstimmungen zwischen Luc. 118 und den entsprechenden Theophrastfragmenten bzw. Paraphrasen in Simplikios’ Kommentar zur ari stotelischen Physik, die Usener und er den Phys. op. zugewiesen haben.3 Als nächstes aber hat er Luc. 119-121 über die stoische Theorie der Vorsehung (SVFI I 92 u. 1161) und über Aristoteles’ {Dephilos. fr. 20 Ross) und Stratons (fr. 32 Wehrli) entgegengesetzte Auffassungen ausgeklammert, weil dieses Stück nicht auf Theophrast zurückgeführt werden könne. Aus den nach folgenden Paragraphen, die über verschiedene Ansichten von den Himmelskörpern und der Erde referieren, hat er schliesslich 123 “Hiketas von Syrakus, wie Theophrast sagt” {Hicetas Syracosius, ut ait Theophrastus . . . ) usw. wieder als Beweis dafür angezogen, dass die doxographische Übersicht zur Astronomie aus den Phys. op. stamme. In der Nachfolge Kri- sches hatte schliesslich schon Diels zu Recht bemerkt, dass Ciceros unmittelbare Quelle ein Akademiker, wohl ein Karneadesschüler, sein müsse. Das Textstück über Hiketas (auch abgedruckt Vorsokr. 51.1) hat er als Phys. op. fr. 18 aufgenommen {DG 492-3). Es ist dies der einzige Cicerotext in der betreffenden Dielsschen Sammlung. [Introduction, p. 133] |
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